textus receptus vs septuagint

It wasnt until he focused on the shield of faith that clarity and direction were restored. It was at the foot of Mount Sinai, in the Convent of St. Catherine, that I discovered the pearl of all my researches. Humanists are infamous for starting their arguments down to up: from humans down and then moving up to God. In the Vulgate, we find over half of the Alexandrian readings. Any further input that you have would be appreciated. 1. I supplied the Greek out of our Latin version. Its not good to be so confident in your writing and yet be so wrong in interpreting Scripture. Its not directly on the topic of adoptionism, but in my article on the Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7-8), I do point to evidence of tampering with the early manuscripts as a result of Arianism. Happy indeed art thou, said the Stranger, would that I were likewise! (by extension) a region, or the solid part or the whole of the earthly globe (including the occupants in each application). However, even the worst of these can tell you about the presence or absence of a verse. The best translations article is much more practical. I am still hoping you will take some time to answer my last questions: When do you think the church lost the true preserved Word of God? Otherwise there is too great a danger of reconstructing a test tube text which never existed at any time or place. Well, an informative and diligent article, so I want to thank you for that. While translations arent very useful for deciding the exact wording of Greek, they can be very useful in deciding if certain words, phrases, and/or verses were included. can never be the sole basis for a critical decision, especially when they stand in opposition to the external evidence. NETS, New English Translation of the Septuagint Accessed March 26, 2011, 2. The case of using the Dead Sea Scrolls to modify the Masoretic text is no different. I have heard about the NASB2020 and it seems to be like everything else about 2020: extremely disappointing. If you assume the mistakes are fairly randomly distributed, the Majority holds up quite well. I am wondering why you say that it is a matter of less than 1% of the New Testament. Ive found this information in various books: ), For an example, lets say were copying the shortest book of the New Testament, 3 John with 219 words (in Greek). (Greek words often have similar endings because of the nature of the Greek language.) Whichever one is closer to the majority text. You will preserve him from this generation forever. Again, this doesnt change the meaning much, even if it does change the text slightly. So the Textus Receptus is definitely a Byzantine text, but far from a purely Byzantine text. The WEB is a revision of the ASV. But God, being rich in mercy, for his great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with him, and made us to sit with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus; But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved); And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. Before we look at each theory though, we need to understand what are called text types. It simply doesnt matter to the meaning. Perhaps compare it to the same impact Jesus meant when He said, It is finished.. As soon as the numbers of a minority exceed what can be explained by accidental coincidence, their agreement can only be explained on genealogical grounds. Prepare the way of the Lord; The NT Byzantine Textform reflects a similar continuance from at least the fourth century onward. A reading combining two simple, alternative readings is later than the two readings comprising the combination. Further, this can happen in smaller increments too. You might say, But that wouldnt happen.. These are variants where its essentially impossible for them to have been original, even if they would change the meaning of the text. Since the two best translations on the market (NASB95 and NKJV) differ on their source text, if someone had strong preference for the Critical Text or Texus Receptus, that could be a deciding factor. As a result, there are parts of Revelation in the KJV/NKJV not supported by a single Greek manuscript. The reconstruction of a stemma of readings for each variant (the genealogical principle) is an extremely important device, because the reading which can most easily explain the derivation of the other forms is itself most likely the original. These errors of parablepsis and haplography are commonly known and well-documented. Those are the Westcott & Hort rules, and the Aland/Aland Rules. Westcott & Hort believed the Byzantine text type was a combination of the Alexandrian and Western text types. A translation based on the official text of the Ecumenical Patriachate of Constantinople. Not many people would sift through an 18k+ word article. Thats why the overwhelming vast majority of our earliest Greek manuscripts come from one of the driest climates on the planet: Egypt. Did that disprove the promise of preservation? The voice of one crying in the wilderness: The crooked places shall be made straight, Behold, the Lord God shall come with a strong hand, with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb, For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means, According to Textus Receptus Bibles (.com), there are no less than, A Few Fun Things About Biblical (Koine) Greek. Do you believe We can no more touch the preserved Word of God than we can the incarnate Christ? Do you believe that we can only do our very best to discern with our human abilities and scientific approach what is correct and what is not? One of the greatest supporters of the Critical Text is Daniel Wallace. The NKJV is one of two translations I recommend in my article on Bible translations. The British museum has 694 pages, which is over half the original length. It is known by other names, such as the Traditional Text, Majority Text, Byzantine Text, or Syrian Text. Your thoughts I would appreciate. (Well look at the verses they use to support this statement lower down.) So, some information first. You say, The practice of Textual Criticism is not criticizing the Bible, its trying to recover the Bibles original text. To be clear, the theory of Reasoned Eclecticism is very sound; its the application of it (thus far) that leaves something to be desired. Its almost certainly extremely close, but its almost certainly not identical. Eminent scholars such as E. C. Colwell, G. D. Kilpatrick, and Kurt and Barbara Aland maintained, respectively, that The overwhelming majority of readings, almost all variants, and practically all the substantive variants in the text of the New Testament existed before the year 200. If you backup to the first 500 years of the Church, the Byzantine Text type is in the clear minority of the manuscripts weve found. His translation can be purchased for about $10. Its so well known, its often just called Westcott & Hort. Now that we have a basic overview, well look at each theory in (exhaustive) detail. These types of Textual Variants make up ~24% of all Textual Variants. And gently lead those who are with young. Do you have a source for the first one? Please dont mistake my question for a mere rhetorical one (though its partially that), If perfect preservation is the case, then thats THE question that matters most regarding Scripture. Is it possible that Jesus is talking about His prophecies in that chapter? Are you aware that the Received Text (Textus Receptus) is essentially a 16th century Critical Text? The faith perspective is the opposite. ), There is a system for naming manuscripts of the New Testament. Tischendorf himself might not have been sure. Their text was heavily based on the Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus. Theres no problem with confessions of faith in general. The Textus Receptus constituted the translation-base for the original German Luther Bible, the translation of the New Testament into English by William Tyndale, the King James Version, the Spanish Reina-Valera translation, the Czech Bible of Kralice, and most Reformation-era New Testament translations throughout Western and Central Europe. I even purchased an interlinear bible because I wanted to know what was really said. (This is made even more clear by the chiastic structure of 1 Corinthians 11:2-16, which places verse 10 at the apex/focal point). Of the 18,000 Bibles he printed, only 3 of them remain today. which is every-thing in red. Much to chew on. I studied up on each translation but could never get a good grasp on the origin of the text. But I would give them all up to dispel the confusion and go back to studying the original languages, which I use Jewish-English, an LXX-English translation, and a lexicon to do. My guess and its only a guess is that the Latin Vulgate had the plural (staves) and so the KJV translators went with that. Its possible, but definitely not certain. Prefer NKJV NASB, Believe there is error They are confused, just like you, and I. I love studying to see what God has said as clearly as I can, so using all the versions aid me. The Elzevir 1633 text promised just that in their marketing. There may well be one, but I dont know which one. An active member of Toronto's Rosedale Presbyterian Church from 1951. 1 O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people. Further, Westcott and Hort agreed that the common text (Byzantine text) had at its root a text that was as old as or older than their oldest manuscripts (Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus). The most commonly cited confession of faith from Confessional Position Christians is the Westminster Confession of Faith. However, it completely ignores evidence from versional manuscripts (translations) and the early church fathers. Hopefully, this can be a one stop shop for anyone wishing for an introduction on New Testament Textual Criticism. The Textus Receptus is the textual basis behind KJV and NKJV. 8 The grass withers, the flower fades, the Majority Texts (Textus Receptus), and . ( a symbol of and her are supplied and not in the original but states the obvious that the head covering is a symbol and that it is placed on the womans (her) head. I like my NASB95, but wouldnt touch the NASB2020 with 39 1/2 foot pole (allusion intended) Im looking forward to the Legacy Standard Bible, especially because of the Tetragramaton being translated Yahweh (though I think theres a better pronunciation of YHWH, Ill take it!) It corrects the manuscript errors in the KJV while not letting in the Gnostic influence in manuscripts from Egypt that are used in more modern translations. The fact that the Byzantine Text type dominates the manuscript copies is proof of disproportionate copying. Erasmus originally assembled his Greek text based on 7 Greek manuscripts and published it in 1516 as the Novum Instrumentum omne. Looking forward to reading more of your articles. Only one reading can be original, however many variant readings there may be. In fact, its usually the first place I look for answers on questions relating to Textual Variants. She also causes rejoicing among the angels of God who are obedient and submissive to the authority of God. Again, Westcott and Hort were mistaken as nearly all major textual variants had appeared before the year 200. Behold, His reward is with Him, However, that not necessarily the case. It has been preserved for all time (I Peter 1:23; Psalm 12:6-7; Ps. Im 23 (born again when I was 20) and have been studying which Greek textual basis best reflects the NT Scripture as originally penned for about 2 1/2 years now. Ive really enjoyed it and Ive learned a lot! You might want to check the original language in that verse, because it actually says You shall keep him, singular, not them plural. Note, all of the above are very similar. Does the difference affect doctrine or anything major? Great work! How can the scriptures have been kept pure in all ages when if the Textus Receptus is pure it has readings that never existed before? Thats from the 4th century to the ~15th century; a period of 1,100 years (over a millennia) with virtually no change. https://confessionalbibliology.com/2016/06/08/erasmian-myths-revelation-back-translated-from-the-vulgate/. And His arm shall rule for Him; The Bibles authority is only as great as our confidence in its reliability. And the rough places smooth; 5 The glory of the Lord shall be revealed, Again, it takes its name from a confession of faith. The way I see it Jesus is the only 100% true word of God and I need to rely on His Holy Spirit to guide me every time I open the Bible. That covers the early manuscripts, but what about the later ones? Further, no Christian was ever born again through the Bible; we are born again through Jesus blood and His work on the cross. It is accepted as being the closest text to that used for the English King James translation in 1611. The mistakes which the original transcriber made are of perpetual recurrence. However, a significant number of variants can be explained by this simple scribal error. That makes sense, or at least more sense than applying it to the Bible. See their intro to the NT here: http://www.katapi.org.uk/NEB/NT-Introduction-1970.pdf. The longer form of the Homeric text is characterized by popular expansion and scribal improvement; the NT Western text generally is considered the uncontrolled popular text of the second century with similar characteristics. I believe it should be very highly in my humble opinion. Lift up your voice with strength, Jan de Waard received his PhD from the University of Leiden in 1965. The Textus Receptus is not just the half-dozen manuscripts of Erasmus. God will keep them (His words) by setting him (the man) in safety like He said He would in verse 5. Thank for the kind words, and Im so glad you enjoyed the article. Coming from a KJV is the preserved words of God or as close as anyone has it in English AND holding a confessional position in regard to that, I find it refreshing to discover a critic who concedes and is open about the KJVs unique eclecticism in its origins as opposed to the usual inaccurate treatment of it as wholly Majority Text as opposed to mainly Majority Text with reasoned deviations. However, its an attempt to reconstruct that text, not that actual text itself. However, theyre worth noting. BTW: Ive enjoyed our robust conversations. That means the only support for the Doctrine of (perfect) Preservation is the tradition of men. (The other being the 1995 NASB). Believing (trusting) that His work of Calvary is sufficient payment for you as a sinner, and His Word is given for the direction of the repentant life. Thanks for all the hard work! This is my second reading of your article. The manuscripts finder Tischendorf who reckoned it as the greatest find of his life said the following: On nearly every page of the manuscript there are corrections and revisions, done by 10 different people. Cule). I do not believe you can possibly come to the correct conclusion from this viewpoint, no matter how long you study, how much evidence you look at, or how scholarly you may be. I dont have particular references for that other than reading quotes of his letters to that regard here and there. Codex Sinaiticus takes its name from where it was found: at the base of Mount Sinai. PROF. JOHN WILLIAM WEVERS (1919-2010). They will typically only use the King James Bible (KJV) or New King James Bible (NKJV) as an English translation, but some will only accept the KJV. I stand alone on the Word of God, But Jesus isnt the Bible, and neither Peter nor Isaiah were talking about the Bible; they were talking about Jesus. That does not bother me even a little. For the vision is yet for a time, and it shall shoot forth at the end, and not in vain: though he should tarry, wait for him; for he will surely come, and will not tarry. The Tetragrammaton (over 6,800 times in the OT) will be rendered as Yahweh. Persecution under Marcus Aurelius (161-180). (Sort of). I want to encourage you to do a more thorough study on preservation in general as I feel that is the only basis for a continuing dialog. and to offer a sacrifice according to what is said in the Law of the Lord, a pair of turtle-doves, or two young pigeons. 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